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		<title>False conversion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baptists usually believe in eternal security or persistence of the saints. That is, once you are saved, you&#8217;re always saved. Yet a Baptist prison chaplain says that he finds the same percentage of Baptists in jail as out of jail. Same percentage of Methodists, same percentage of Catholics. So what&#8217;s the problem? A Baptist preacher [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baptists usually believe in eternal security or persistence of the saints. That is, once you are saved, you&#8217;re always saved. Yet a Baptist prison chaplain says that he finds the same percentage of Baptists in jail as out of jail. Same percentage of Methodists, same percentage of Catholics.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the problem? A Baptist preacher once said, &#8220;We&#8217;ve spent too many years telling people they can never lose what they never had.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Americans like formulas. We turn everything into formulas. So we have turned conversion into a formula. We can tell you how to avoid hell, guaranteed, if you follow these four easy steps. Or assent to four easy statements.</p>
<p>But the &#8220;steps to salvation&#8221; or the &#8220;Romans road&#8221; are not easy steps to take. We&#8217;ve fooled ourselves because we wish they were.</p>
<p>For example,  Romans 10:9 says &#8220;&#8230;If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you shall be saved.&#8221; But can you make yourself do that, whenever an evangelist tells you that you should? You may have better reasons for believing that Jesus was raised from the dead than for believing that Osiris was raised from the dead. But I don&#8217;t think you normally believe that dead people can come back to life. Wouldn&#8217;t it take a miracle to change your mind?</p>
<p>Should you believe the gospel because your church tells you to? You can&#8217;t. You literally can&#8217;t.  That isn&#8217;t faith, it&#8217;s assent &#8212; deciding to accept doctrines and not argue about them. Should you believe in the resurrection of Jesus because the brilliant apologetics of someone like Josh McDowell? No, in his final debate with Ahmed Deedat, even Josh McDowell responded to Deedat&#8217;s Muslim arguments by telling the story of what God had done for his alcoholic father.</p>
<p>Without faith, it is impossible to please God. And faith is a gift.</p>
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		<title>You paid too much for your salvation</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your grace is cheap, who paid for it? And how much did they pay? Everything that Jesus offers, he paid for with his life. If your salvation is cheap and ineffective, maybe you didn&#8217;t get it from him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your grace is cheap, who paid for it? And how much did they pay? Everything that Jesus offers, he paid for with his life. If your salvation is cheap and ineffective, maybe you didn&#8217;t get it from him.</p>
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		<title>Getting used to the taste of sea water</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely the reason we don&#8217;t think we need an expensive savior is because we don&#8217;t think we are in any danger. We have gotten used to floors that are constantly wet, water seeping through cracks in the walls, bulkheads bowing inward, strange rumblings below deck, and the taste of sea water. We can&#8217;t admit our [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the reason we don&#8217;t think we need an expensive savior is because we don&#8217;t think we are in any danger. We have gotten used to floors that are constantly wet, water seeping through cracks in the walls, bulkheads bowing inward, strange rumblings below deck, and the taste of sea water. We can&#8217;t admit our need because it would cost us too much to fix it. Because the alternative is inconceivable. Or  uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>Cheap grace is like cheap termite control</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 15:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To me, cheap grace doesn&#8217;t mean that it didn&#8217;t cost much, so much as it isn&#8217;t worth much. Still, sometimes there is a connection. The price of a car repair, or a surgical operation, is affected by how deep into the inner workings the professional will have to go. If you don&#8217;t believe you have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, cheap grace doesn&#8217;t mean that it didn&#8217;t cost much, so much as it isn&#8217;t worth much. Still, sometimes there is a connection. The price of a car repair, or a surgical operation, is affected by how deep into the inner workings the professional will have to go. If you don&#8217;t believe you have a deep problem, or if you believe it&#8217;s already been fixed, you won&#8217;t pay the price needed to fix it. If your problem is termites and you won&#8217;t fix it, eventually you won&#8217;t have a house. If your problem is spiritual, you can patch over the holes, keep the telltale sawdust swept away, and ignore the swarms each spring. But in the end you&#8217;ll have no place to seek refuge from reality.</p>
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		<title>Redemption and lift, reconsidered</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading my post Redemption and lift, Tim McIntosh asked: Has there ever been any empirical evidence that &#8220;redemption and lift&#8221; is a reality? There are many examples of poor sectors of countries that have had genuine revivals but no lift. The redemption and lift philosophy has been used to reject the idea of getting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading my post <a href="http://homecomers.org/weblog/index.php/redemption-and-life/">Redemption and lift</a>,<br />
Tim McIntosh asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Has there ever been any empirical evidence that &#8220;redemption and lift&#8221; is a reality? There are many examples of poor sectors of countries that have had genuine revivals but no lift. The redemption and lift philosophy has been used to reject the idea of getting involved in holistic ministry.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then what a bad use of the redemption and lift philosophy: to say that salvation has economic implications so we shouldn&#8217;t encourage them. That is, to paraphrase <a href="http://www.catalystmin.org/william-carey/">William Carey</a>&#8216;s critics, &#8220;If God wants to improve crop yields or reduce child abuse, he will do it without your help or ours.&#8221; If the Gospel affects the whole person, what kind of ministry is there besides holistic?</p>
<p>It turns out that in Donald McGavran&#8217;s <em>Understanding Church Growth</em>, one of the main points which he made in his chapter &#8220;<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=nKZMOR5QTU4C&amp;pg=PA209&amp;lpg=PA209&amp;dq=McGavran+%22redemption+and+lift%22&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=OGzQNxXpY7&amp;sig=Q5jSWBqqv9SuiQKyhx0Ftpzd9OQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=ZnP1StL1Ksqm8AbigqnzCQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false">Halting Due to Redemption and Lift</a>&#8221; was negative, not positive: when poor people respond to the witness of the Gospel, they often want to leave the neighborhood, which leaves the neighborhood without their witness to the Gospel.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m applying the term differently than McGavran did. However, you&#8217;re applying the term differently than I did. Notice that the examples I gave were on a personal/family level. When one man has more disposable income because he stops drinking, that doesn&#8217;t mean his whole community has more disposable income. However, if enough people stop drinking, some bars will go out of business, which affects the whole community. That happened in the 1905 <a href="http://www.worldmag.com/articles/14228">Welsh Revival</a>, documented by J. Edwin Orr.</p>
<p>Just a thought: you referred to &#8220;sectors of countries&#8221; but do the words &#8220;sector&#8221; or &#8220;country&#8221; (in our sense of those words) even appear in the New Testament mandates? The Gospel can transform sectors and countries, but it does that by transforming individuals, households, and people groups: all words which do appear in the New Testament mandates.</p>
<p>However, in the same way that lift can be promoted by redemption, lift can be thwarted by lack of redemption. If a &#8220;holistic ministry&#8221; focuses on fighting alcoholism among people who enjoy being drunk, that ministry is going to have some problems.</p>
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		<title>A million good atheists in New York City?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[CNN reports that a coalition of non-religious organizations is running a atheist ad campaign in New York city subways, &#8220;designed to raise awareness about people who don&#8217;t believe in a god.&#8221; The advertisements ask the question, written simply over an image of a blue sky with wispy white clouds: &#8220;A million New Yorkers are good [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNN reports that a coalition of non-religious organizations is running a <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/21/new.york.subway.ads/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn">atheist ad campaign</a> in New York city subways, &#8220;designed to raise awareness about people who don&#8217;t believe in a god.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>The advertisements ask the question, written simply over an image of a blue sky with wispy white clouds: &#8220;A million New Yorkers are good without God. Are you?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The ads are actually misleading. That 2008 survey cited by the sponsors, <a href="http://www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/">American Nones: The Profile of the No Religion Population</a>, didn&#8217;t ask people if they were good. The word &#8220;good&#8221; doesn&#8217;t even appear in the report. It just asked about religious affiliation. True, the 15% who said they had no religious affiliation weren&#8217;t saying they were Christians between churches, but they weren&#8217;t saying they were atheists either. Only 7% said they were atheists.</p>
<p>The most startling claim, of course, is that New York City has a million good people, period. I mean, I think the Chasidic Jews only estimate a dozen or two really good people worldwide. Maybe good people are naturally attracted to New York City. But you still need to keep alert on the subway, and lock your car.</p>
<p>Still, the ads ask a good question, even if they begin with an inaccurate statement. That is, they ask, &#8220;Are you good?&#8221; I suspect that, if they think about it, that question will make a lot of New Yorkers a little uncomfortable. I know it did that for me. And if the answer is No, there are organizations in New York City that can help. But I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re atheist organizations.</p>
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		<title>The message of &#8220;The Matrix&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are no limits, there are no rules, anything can happen &#8211; if you&#8217;re in the Matrix. Of course, if you&#8217;re in the Matrix, nothing is really happening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no limits, there are no rules, anything can happen &#8211; if you&#8217;re in the Matrix. </p>
<p>Of course, if you&#8217;re in the Matrix, nothing is really happening.</p>
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		<title>Worship your rulers</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God.&#8221; - G.K. Chesterton, Christendom in Dublin, 1933]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God.&#8221;</p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.chesterton.org/acs/quotes.htm">G.K. Chesterton</a>, Christendom in Dublin, 1933</p>
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		<title>What is a swinger?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;The whole curse of the last century has been what is called the Swing of the Pendulum; that is, the idea that Man must go alternately from one extreme to the other. It is a shameful and even shocking fancy; it is the denial of the whole dignity of the mankind. When Man is alive [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The whole curse of the last century has been what is called the Swing of the Pendulum; that is, the idea that Man must go alternately from one extreme to the other. It is a shameful and even shocking fancy; it is the denial of the whole dignity of the mankind. When Man is alive he stands still. It is only when he is dead that he swings.&#8221; </p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.chesterton.org/acs/quotes.htm">G.K. Chesterton</a>, &#8220;The New House&#8221; Alarms and Discursions</p>
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		<title>Everything is cheaper now.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Comforts that were rare among our forefathers are now multiplied in factories and handed out wholesale; and indeed, nobody nowadays, so long as he is content to go without air, space, quiet, decency and good manners, need be without anything whatever that he wants; or at least a reasonably cheap imitation of it.&#8221; - G.K. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Comforts that were rare among our forefathers are now multiplied in factories and handed out wholesale; and indeed, nobody nowadays, so long as he is content to go without air, space, quiet, decency and good manners, need be without anything whatever that he wants; or at least a reasonably cheap imitation of it.&#8221; </p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.chesterton.org/acs/quotes.htm">G.K. Chesterton</a>, Commonwealth, 1933</p>
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